I like how invariably the NPC reaction to secession is either:
A) "Lincoln settled that by killing the last people who tried"
or
B) "you are the real welfare drags on our budget, leave and suffer."
Basically "if you don't want to submit to my peaceful democracy I'll shoot you" and "my politicians suck at repatriating my tax dollars"
Good own...
You don't reason and talk with secessionists, just like you don't try and reason with a children having a temper tantrum.
You can point out all the facts about their dumb ideas, or that their non-economy would collapse like a house of cards almost immediately.
But they don't care or understand, not unlike like the tantrum throwing child. So if you just let them get it out, they'll eventually stop crying and screaming contradictorily about mush-brain old joe who's somehow also a secret criminal mastermind
All this because these children think the 2020 election was stolen/ they didn't get the toy they wanted 😂
>non-economy
I'm assuming that's about the states that aren't run by a handful of cities being the place where there's more fed spending than fed revenue.
Which, I mean, if they seceded and went socialist, then yeah, it would go belly-up in a year. If it went the free market route, they'd just kind of...make their own damn economy? Especially since they grow a lot of the food? Which is why the fed spends more than it gets back in those states?
I can believe Lincoln's fanatical belief in the union and that states don't have the right to secede was a driving factor for him but surely part of it must have been economics. Dude scorched the earth to get the south back but it wasn't about money? The south was the money maker, and they didn't have near the population the north did.
But sure, "non-economy."
@original-oxford-comma-forever sounds like some self righteous Ayn Rand statist. So eager to decry any fundamental shift to an economy not entirely dependent on government intervention but, without the introspection to realize that any economy that "remainer" states might have, would be entirely powered by the fuels and ores of the "fuck you" states.
"Remain" states will have to compete for all the abundance of the "fuck you" states on the world market. The "fuck you" states can get their avocados, baristas, and internet "influencers" from a different source.
@johnnytortuga lmao. The second biggest natural gas producer in the us is pennsylvania, which produces a fifth of our domestic total on its own.
California, colorado, alaska, and new mexico are top five producers of oil, the rest of which we already get from canada and mexico.
As soon as the $20 billion in annual corn subsidies are taken away, the agriculture industry of rural states would collapse.
Its not a competition, but the states with varied industries, not based on agrarian hayseed-ism would win again
Slight correction.
Texas, North Dakota, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Colorado, and Alaska have historically (this century) been the top six producers of oil.
Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Wyoming, and Louisiana have been, again historically (this century), the top 5 Natural Gas producing states.
Pennsylvania is going to have a very big problem extracting natural gas with a fracking ban. So will Colorado and any of the other "remain" states that decide to allow drilling.
This is an industry you know very little about, @original-oxford-comma-forever; that's somewhat obvious. I'm sure your lack of expertise extends to farming, manufacturing, etc...
Remaining with a government that slowly stifles ingenuity and production is your choice... good for you. But, a government of states that want to unleash their economies and trust their citizens to "mind their own" would fucking crush the "remain" states. It would not even be close.
Your assumption that the "fuck you" states (the number of which would likely surprise you) would adopt the same rules, regulations, and attitudes in regards to their industries and citizenry is very telling... it tells me you lack imagination. Or, perhaps you've been broken down over time. No matter... you've proven me right, at least. You are very much an Ayn Rand villian.
Should this come about, I will be sure to send you some good alfalfa seed; it makes for the best hay.
We in pennsylvania get about a third of our power from nuclear plants, the way everyone should. Your standard reactionary points, astroturfed by years of billionaire clownery are pretty boring tbh. You're arguing with a strawman in your head.
And your buzzwords. "Unleash their economies" "fuck you states" "stifles ingenuity", lmao. Frank luntz earned his money from rupert murdoch.
And that you seem to think ayn rand wrote anything worth regarding, anything other then delusion and still imagine yourself clever 😂
You, my friend, were touting your natural gas production, not I. I have, however, worked extracting it. And getting a whole THIRD of your power via nuclear power... what an accomplishment! Yay, you!
What does your car run on? The tractors that scratch a subsistence living out there? The trucks and trains that deliver goods to the stores and restaurants? How are the homes of Pennsylvania heated, primarily? Any idea?
At this point, I'm not sure you know what a "strawman" actually is...
Your derision of a writer who believed that success should be rewarded gives me the distinct impression that I would not be a fan of whoever you think is worth your regard. If, as I suspect, they share the same lack of imagination as you've presented here.
The offer for the seed still stands, however. We're not animals here in the "fuck you" states...
I mean, you're mostly christians in america so same difference really.
My levels of derision, for a shitty writer whose books that railed against the general theme of compassion and care that sold so poorly during her lifetime she went on social security, medicaid, and housing assistance the last few decades of her life, is exactly where it should be 😂
Its not a contest between what comes from where, buddy, in america. Cause when push comes to shove theres no way clownish ideas of succession would be allowed by the owners of america cause it doesnt suit their needs. But any new civil war would be more urban and suburban vs rural, and that would decimate the mayo maga fascism crowd real fast. As it should be, lmao.
I thought you lived in PA? Is this not your native country?
The "general themes of compassion and care" of whom? For what? Do you believe that success has to be throttled or manipulated so that people who just want things, because other people have them, can have them without doing the work to get them? Or, is that a rhetorical question?
And again... your lack of imagination regarding SECESSION (you're giving away your education level, here) shows your ignorance. The "owners" of America, who were very much the kind of people who demand to be compensated for their talents... would try to maintain the status quo because, much like you, they have become villians as well. The adaptable ones would jump at the chance to leave. The ones who believe their sinking government will save them, will stay. Simple as that.
As to your last paragraph... are YOU going to fight a civil war? Going to put your own scrawny ass out there to get shot? Really, I'm curious...
Or, are you going to depend on a military that is made up, primarily, of "fuck you"states? I'm betting on the latter...
mUcH LiKe YoU tHeY bEcAmE ViLlAiNs lmao 😂
mate, you have terminal gentile main character syndrome and a huge case of american action movie-ism
of course this is my country, but I'm not a brutish christian like most of the people here, lol. And just fyi, the modern us military is mostly made up of people who already buy into the idea of a strong union and are from middle class backgrounds. Not poor, downtrodden racist hayseeds, upset their skintone hasn't benefitted them, who've never left their home town.
If you think the owners of america actually care about you or your astroturfed worldview that supports them, well you're dumber then I though even 😂
Shit. Sorry, mate. Had no idea you were retarded.
So, let me ask you again, Simple Simon, is it YOU that is going to be fighting a running gun battle through Podunk, Wherever? Because the "fuck you" states aren't going to invade your hometown of Whistledick, PA. It's the "remain" states that will have to invade, to bring the "fuck you" states to heel.
You haven't really thought about this at all, have you? You don't know shit about politics, war, farming, manufacturing, or even the idea of liberty, do you? You're just going to lick whatever boot kicks you softest, aren't you?
Pathetic.
Weak.
Pussy.
The "owners" of America only own you because you let them.
The worst part about that, is that you like it that way, you sniveling bitch.
Hey everyone, this dumb bitch thinks capitalism is voluntary and Pittsburgh pa, a city with a gdp bigger then most states is podunk.
Point and laugh at the retard who thinks states seceding from the union wouldnt immediately be carpet bombed into not being stupid
Me: Tell me you're retarded, without telling me you're retarded...
@original-oxford-comma-forever: I already have.
You are the only rational argument for abortion, fucking nitwit.
P.S. You still haven't answered the question about taking up arms to force people to stay in a shitted out country, instead of doing what they want. Well, douchebag... you gonna?
Lmao look at your performative tough guy posting, lmao. Its always hilarious watching someone who thinks ayn rand was a good author try and call other people dumb 🤣
Its really sad, but not unexpected from your horrible sort, that you doesn't consider "woman with free will who doesn't want to have a child" a valid reason for an abortion. You reactionary corporate bootlickers are v repetitive.
"Tough guy"??? How? I've threatened nothing. I was asking a question... would you pick up a gun, to subjugate other people?
I never said Ayn Rand was a good author. I said you speak like one of the Statist villians in her novels. Which happens to be entirely more and more true with every post you make.
I find your perfomative "intellectualism", at least, as amusing as your invention of my character traits.
Your delight in the possibility of legions of people who want to exercise their "free will" being carpet-bombed pretty much negates any other argument you might decide to throw at me, regarding abortion.
You should stop now... you're not as smart as you think, twat.
You: feigns ignorance of tough guy clownery
Also you: yOu sHoUlD sToP nOw TwAt 🤡
If you weren't an impotent online clown, you'd just about have said "or else" lol
Your premise is absurd and hypothetical. There is no national call for secession, besides the 40 million or so trump cultists like yourself, scattered way to far for any real movement to form besides in your deluded brains 🤤
And you have proven, yet again, you're just not very good at this.
I've not once said that secession was inevitable, likely, or even a serious concern. My "premise" was a response to your economic illiteracy regarding your initial post. You kinda went off the rails after that, dipshit.
I get that shifting narratives to find an attack point is something that liberal "intellectuals" do when they're in over their heads. But, bitch, really??
I'll allow this to go as far afield as necessary to expose the lying, chickenshit, retard you've been hiding from everyone here. Sound good, fuckwit?
aNd YoUvE pRoVeN yEt AgAiN
someone here sounds like a shitty ayn rand character and it ain't me mr projectionist 😂 You're a braindead trumpist who thinks the election was stolen by criminal mastermind joe biden, lmao
There's not illiteracy here except anyone who thinks the flyover failstates that have almost entirely agrarian economies would collapse into christian fascism and hysterical poverty almost immediately if they were ever dumb enough to seceed. That was and is the premise.
I've been laughing at the clownery you continue this whole time, idk what else you think was happening
Literally NO ONE believes Joe Biden is remotely sentient, much less a "criminal mastermind". Try again, fuckwit.
Do you think it's JUST the Dakotas and Kansas that have a problem with this government? Do you really think that Pennsylvania is full to the brim with bootlickers just like you??? Or, Ohio, West Virginia, Virginia??? Do you really think that their aren't democrats who aren't sick of douchebags like you???
Democrats make up about 40% of active voters. You, fuckwit, represent 10% of your voting bloc. You aren't as popular as you think... and THAT is what has me giggling every time you reblog.
So, keep trying. I don't suppose you'll do much more than scream at the sky but, that alone is worth it... ignorant cunt.
I'm not doing anything here but watching your clownish reactionary npc self spout nonsense. Anyone who thinks someone stole the election for biden from trump be is a moron good for little else. You are full on brainrotted bro. So much so, you think a non radical like me is some kinda far left tankie marxist leninst 😂
I know rural america is full of hateful, uneducated christian animals, lol. Thats why we gotta vote republican and keep helping you people keep yourselves down by voting against your own interests, if you bother at all.
Here's the thing, Twinkles... YOU are one who keeps reacting. OVER-reacting, really. You jump to all these conclusions about me... due to what? Our disagreement?
I mean, with the lackluster performance of your "candidate" (he was DONE until the leader of the CBC endorsed him), Bernie would have walked away with the nomination. Deny it...
Please point to the post where I accused you of being a "tankie", "Marxist" or, "Leninist". It seems much more plausible that you're projecting. Or, perhaps you just don't want people to know who you really are. I know you think that that would elevate you to: "Criminal Mastermind" to me but, no... not really. You'd still just be the same snide, over "educated", little shit you've been this entire time.
Your evasions of, pretty much everything... your grand assertions, which have been shot down and, oddly, never challenged. Even your weak misrepresentations of me, seem to signal a mental disorder. Bi-polar? Asperger's? Narcissist? Not sure. But, by the time you've blocked me, I'll have forwarded this conversation to enough people to get you the help you need.
Lmao I'd never block such an entertaining fascist clown like yourself. Endless laughs
Look how you reply to some basic ass facts and assertions based off your own posts. Ranting about bernie and the cbc and assumptions about my education 😂
All you would have to do, would be to enlighten me... maybe answer a couple questions... be waaaay easier to understand your "genius" that way ((sarc) ... in case you didn't figure it out)
If "basic ass facts" mattered to you, you might have said so before now, don'tcha think? You drop "basic ass facts" thaaaat, are pretty much bullshit, and now, what??... your lack of care in disseminating these facts is on me???? Bitch. Please.
Aaaaand, Bernie and the CBC was NEVER tied to your lack of education. It does, however, bolster my Ayn Rand Villian argument.
Sorry, Puke. But, you're going to have to do way better than the "You're a dumb meany-face" argument that you've been falling back on.
Answer the questions, Puke.
sOrRy pUkE aNsWeR tHe QuEsTiOnS
You keep LARPing as a shitty villain in an 80s movie you give away your boomer nonsense 😂
You're the one who keeps projecting about me, insisting I think I'm a genius or a special lil boy...the chip on your shoulder is huge my man...
This is pretty funny
The "funny" thing is, you've been off topic for a while now... retards don't usually do that, if they can back up their bullshit.
Answer the questions, pussy.
I'll wait...
The only topic is the sad mental state of you people who are still trump supporters 🤡
I'm so glad you so busy with your nothing were waiting around with nothing doing so you could message me back in like 10 minutes. All cause you legit think flyover state losers would ever be able to build a functioning country. They cant even fix their dying home towns, lol
You never asked non retarded questions, kween, orherwise I would 😘
At what point have i said I was a Trump supporter? Other than "MAGAsticks" comment which, you seem to have taken very seriously...
"Never asked non retarded questions"... really?... chickenshit.
How 'bout this one, bitch... how is capitalism not "voluntary"? As that was among your more unhinged odiocies...
Can hardly wait to hear you puke up the standard talking points.
There seems to be a fellow nco out here who sees through the tumor that resides in @johnnytortuga ‘s brain (HA) housing group. Oh, well. As long as he entertains himself he’ll keep repeating the same nonsense that has (not) served him oh so well so far.
I can’t help but enjoy this bounteous word salad of attempts to redirect anyone pointing out his lack of coherency. It’s like watching someone who THINKS they know how to play, “Don’t worry about this hand, focus on this hand!”
I guess the first mistake was thinking he could think.
The kicker has to be when a TREASON #45 supporter questions the intelligence of President Biden. Dislike him? Whatevs. Malign his son for putting cocaine above his father’s image? Unfortunately understandable! But to watch the greed of the entire TREASON family and then attempt to fault Hunter for being profitable?
MAGAt mendacity is a whole other level of evil. The party that defends George Santos knows no bounds.
But again, these people hear, ‘person, woman, man, camera, TV,’ and proclaim-
Whatevs!
evil infodumping where you just tell lies
TED Talks
Modern Journalism.
@johnnytortuga ‘s tumor tumbler.
Same thing.
“I had a purpose before anyone had an opinion.”
“Ой, у лузі червона калина” - Ukrainian Patriotic Song
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Well the GQP warned us the Taliban were coming to America.
They didn’t tell us it would be through them.